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 Posted: Thu Aug 17th, 2006 08:30 pm
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LOL - you beat me to it Calcav! Longstreet, that line about "there were more racists in the north than the South is pure opinion stated as fact. Unless of course you have some primary source, which would seem impossible since racism is not something that can be visibly measured.

I also have a problem with the oft-repeated line that "it was a different time" or "putting yourselves in Southerners shoes". Look at a timeline of abolition, not just here but worldwide. Slavery was not as "commonly accepted" as some would have us think. The inhumanity of it was not unknown or misunderstood. It was understood and accepted by the South for economic reasons.



 Posted: Thu Aug 17th, 2006 08:38 pm
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Oh, I wasn't saying NOW there are more racists in the North than South.  But I think we can all agree that in most places in the 1860's--North and South, were not exactly colorblind in the United States.  There was racism everywhere you went, and there still, to a degree, is.  And let me make myself clear that I am not justifying slavery.  My apologies for straying of topic.

Casey



 Posted: Thu Aug 17th, 2006 09:08 pm
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I thought the "Facts, gentlemen, facts" might be a little coarse. I edited the post so you have to back up to page 2 to see it.

Tom



 Posted: Thu Aug 17th, 2006 09:20 pm
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Tom, I was referring to how the slave holders viewed Lincoln.  Sorry for the misinterpretation.

Thanks, Casey



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Calcav, if the Southern gentry had no fear of Northern political interference then there would have been no reason to go bananas everytime a new state was admitted to the Union.  Beginning with Missouri, every state was contentious.  Between fugitive slave activities and slavery in the territories, there must have been something that they felt threatened by.  From reading various passages from Charles Sumner, I get the opinion that there truly was a band of legislators that was out to kill slavery.  So, it was not so much the White House but the House of Rep.  The Senate was balanced by the compromises, the White House was Southern for the most part, and the House was dominated by the North.



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I'd say the proof is in the pudding…

Of the major political and social issues from 1820 to 1860, slavery was the primary motivator in over half (and virtually all in the 1850s) and secondary in most others.

Here's my list of such issues, with the 'slavery premier' ones asterisked. I'd say none are 'slavery-free' issues. Feel free to add other major issues I have excluded...

Clay's American System

*Missouri Compromise of 1820

The tariff and Nullification Crisis

Manifest Destiny and westward migration

Industrial revolution

Mexican War

Social reform

*Fugitive Slave Act

*Compromise of 1850

*Publication of Uncle Tom's Cabin

*Split of religious denominations

*Kansas-Nebraska Act

*Dred Scott Case

 

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How about sectional response to John Brown's raid? There was some emotional primer for a conflict.

Last edited on Tue Aug 22nd, 2006 12:28 am by Allroy



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The Drum Barracks book group is reading David Potter's book Impending Crisis rght now . It addresses many of these issues.  If You haven't read it , it is very interesting.

 



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It's good to have someone half way agree with me every once and a while.

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