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| Posted: Tue Mar 6th, 2007 07:43 pm |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 6th, 2007 09:08 pm |
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medicboymatt
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Remember the Alamo! I remember it like it was yesterday. My post was in the basement, Col. Travis had directed me to hold it at all costs. I heard a lot of noise that morning, and then it got quiet, so I was able to take a nap. When I woke up, everybody was gone.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 6th, 2007 09:53 pm |
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Fuller
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Remember it indeed. I highly advise visiting San Antonio if you ever get the chance. Such a fun place.
"Honor the Texas flag; I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one and indivisible."
I was a Texan once. 
Fuller
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| Posted: Tue Mar 6th, 2007 10:31 pm |
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Kentucky_Orphan
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"Texans always move them"-Robert E. Lee
Just like Lee said, except that there weren't any "native texans" at the alamo. Bowie was born here in Kentucky where I'm at, as were several others I think (I am ashamed to say I had no idea today was the day 171 years ago the alamo fell. Thanks JoaniReb for reminding us. I'll have to put down my unit history of the Iron Brigade for a time while I brush back up on all things having to do with the Alamo and the Texas war for independence...If I don't get an A on my test tommorow I'm blaming you Joan for "making me" read about the Alamo!
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| Posted: Tue Mar 6th, 2007 11:28 pm |
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JoanieReb
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Mr. MedicBoy Matt - only a scholar could have made such a joke - I'm guessing that when you woke up Mr. DAVID (as he preferred to be called) Crockett was gone, so you just went home and never saw your comrades again, LOL?
Mr. Fuller - I thought once a Texan, always a Texan - admit, it, it's still in your blood, which is why you were Johnny-on-the Spot: Very Quick to post a reply.
Mr. Kentucky_Orphan - well the Iron Brigade is certainly worth reading about, but Not Today, LOL! I've got to admit, whenever I feel like I am being intimidated by people whom would intimidate me, I hear, "Texans, My Brave Texans, You must not run from Those People" ringing in my ears, and I grow a new backbone - and I've never even lived in Texas....but, such was Lee, and the Texans, about 25 years after the Alamo had fallen.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 6th, 2007 11:35 pm |
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medicboymatt
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Yes, Miss Joanie, and it was especially disturbing because the Distinguished Gentleman from Tennessee owed me twenty bucks.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 6th, 2007 11:40 pm |
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JoanieReb
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Oh, My, Mr. MedicBoyMatt,
You do know your stuff! Is TWBTS your primary historical study, or are you a "general" (no bad military pun intended) student of American history?
Last edited on Tue Mar 6th, 2007 11:53 pm by JoanieReb
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| Posted: Tue Mar 6th, 2007 11:55 pm |
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medicboymatt
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No, Miss Joanie, my primary historical focus as an adult has been on maritime and WW2 history. The history of the War of Northern Aggression was my first love when I was a toddler, and I have returned to it in recent years.
Now, what about you, Dear Lady? What brings you to these Hallowed and Learned Boards?
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| Posted: Wed Mar 7th, 2007 12:02 am |
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JoanieReb
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I just remembered, there is a thread here where people post about how they became scholars of TWBTS - let us move this discussion there....
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JoanieReb
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I do hope, that just because I asked that a discussion about how we came, (each in His/Her own way) to study TWBTS be moved to the another board, that this doesn't stop interested parties from discussing The Alamo here! Last edited on Wed Mar 7th, 2007 01:57 am by JoanieReb
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susansweet
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I did not expect when I went to the Alamo to be as moved as I was . There it is in the middle of downtown surounded . I found a quiet corner of the garden and called my brother in Boston. He had been stationed in San Antonio in the Air Force years ago. I asked him if he had been there and how he had felt seeing it . It was a great conversation sharing my experience and comparing it with his . We both had been moved . Was such a neat thing as I was by myself to share this experience long distance with one of my favorite people, my brother.
I went from there to Houston and out to San Jacinto Monument and battleground. There I was lucky enough to get on a ferry to go over to the area in the spot where the settlers had evacuated ahead of Santa Ana. Because of my California plates I attracted attention so the guys working on the ferry came over and told gave me a guided tour as we crossed on the Ferry. Then the battlefield . Great experience Texas was. Will remember the Alamo !!!!
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Texas Defender
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There were most definately native born Texans who died defending the Alamo. Among those agreed upon were:
Juan Abamillo of San Antonio
Juan Badillo of San Antonio
Carlos Espalier of San Antonio
Gregorio Esparza of San Antonio (An expert artilleryman).(His wife and children were present at the Alamo. They were spared, and his 12 year old son, Enrique ,was able to give an account of some of the battle).
Antonio Fuentes of San Antonio
Andres Nava of San Antonio
Some accounts also include Toribio Domingo Losoya, a member of Juan Seguin's company.
They were mostly locals, who could have sat out the event. But they felt that their rights were violated by the Mexican government, so they chose to fight.
They were Texas heroes, and their place in history should not be overlooked.
Last edited on Wed Mar 7th, 2007 06:57 am by Texas Defender
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JDC Duncan
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Friends:
Down the dry draw in the thick mesquite trees I've cleared out a pretty little area and built a campsite, big firepit with raised limestone rock walls and a windbreak built from old grey barn lumber. We all go down there just about every day and sit around the fire, drink bad cowboy coffee & pick guitars.
I've named the camp "Camp Gillentine", in honor of the Texas Ranger Captain who was killed at Dove Creek, January 1865, just to the south of here. (We do a song for him, too, to the tune of "Clementine")(O my Captain, O my Captain ...)
At the head of the camp, I've put up a small flagpole, and fly an "1824 Alamo" flag, handmade by a Mountain Man re-enactor. The flag is the Mexican National, red, white & green vertical bars, with "1824" in the center, the year of the Mexican Constitution that Santa Anna suspended. This may or may not have been the flag flown over the Alamo during the battle; the idea being that the Defenders wanted to communicate that they were fighting for their rights under that Constitution as Mexican citizens, and not in rebellion as Santa Anna claimed. (Of course, Sam Houston, on orders from Andrew Jackson, had independence and eventual US statehood in mind from the beginning.)
Whether historically accurate or not, the flag is generally accepted as "The Alamo Flag", and is a wonderful opportunity for argument & education. ("What'cha doin flyin that there Meskin flag, boy ?")
I also enjoy giggin' my Daddy when he starts in on "The Mexicans". (They didn't cross the border Daddy, the border crossed them.)(Duck & run ...)
Three Cheers for the Great State of Texas !
regards,
JDC
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Steven Cone
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I had a relative that was in the taking of the Alamo from the Mexicans..
Cousin Doc C was it you that gave me that info?
Anywho Disntant cone relative got a land grant for his actions.
May we always remeer the boys & men who held out to the last.
God bless Em
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medicboymatt
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Yes, JDC,
Three cheers for the great state of Texas,
and three cheers for the great state of Tennessee.
"well it's T for Texas, T for Tennessee."
I'm a Tennessee boy originally, and in moments of vainglory, I like to think that my home state's contributions to the defense of the Mission San Antonio de Valero were crucial. And in those moments, I also wonder if I would have the fortitude, the courage, the "right stuff" to make a stand for freedom if need be. I hope that "all Americans in the world" (as Travis called us) still have that right stuff to stand and defeat all foreign and domestic threats to our great Republic.
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medicboymatt
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For those of you who plan on visiting Texas and the Alamo, I would also suggest a trip to the Alamo Village in Brackettville. It is a more-or-less accurate replica of the 1836 Alamo compound and the village of San Antonio de Bexar. It was originally built in 1959 for John Wayne's "The Alamo", and is still in use today for various movie shoots. I think it gives you a better appreciation for the seige, compared to the small remnants of the original fort left in downtown San Antonio. And you might also get to see a movie being made!
Here's their website:
http://www.homestead.com/thealamovillage/AlamoVillage.html
Also, for those of you going to the San Jacinto Battlefield, check out the nearby U.S.S. Texas Memorial. Texas, a veteran of both World Wars, is the only remaining dreadnought-era battleship in the world.
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Kentucky_Orphan
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There were most definately native born Texans who died defending the Alamo. Among those agreed upon were:Juan Abamillo of San Antonio
Juan Badillo of San Antonio
Carlos Espalier of San Antonio
Those Distinguished men you mentioned, their parents called that area of Mexico the Texas Republic? I understand your point though, we too often ignore the contributions of those Spanish Speaking people who were so instrumental in the war for Texas Independence.
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Texas Defender
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The Texas Republic came into existence because the Mexican government violated the rights of its citizens under the Mexican Constitution of 1824.
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JoanieReb
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In the nearest city to where I live right now, March 6th is honored by the Mexican-American population - almost all of whom are bi-lingual and very proud of their Mexican heritage. It's both interesting, and lot of fun, to go into that part of the city and toast the Alamo there on March 6th. Just as almost everyone claims to Irish on Saint Patrick's day, those of Mexican heritage all claim to be "Texan-Mexican Americans" on March 6th. Some years ago, one of the more prominent and successful Mexican-American businessmen built a restaurant there that he worked hard to make an exact replica of The Alamo, according to scale. Sadly, it closed last year - but it was a landmark for some time.
Last edited on Wed Mar 7th, 2007 10:59 pm by JoanieReb
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