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| Posted: Wed Mar 12th, 2008 03:29 pm |
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susansweet
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Johan you said exactly what I had been trying to say. I have mostly read about Plains Indians and Indians of the Southwest especially the Navajo. Growing up in California we studied the Southwest Indians in school. Of course many stereotypes were taught to us . I have continued my love of those Indians and have visited the Navajo Reservation many times.
If you have not read Kit Carson and the Indians read it . It deals with many of the issues you mentione. One of the themes stressed is the "Indian" is not one group.
I always wondered if the Lakota in Dances were actually saying what we thought they were saying . I love it that they weren't.
As much as I liked The Searchers I almost lost it a couple of months ago when I watched it for the first time since I saw it as a child. There were Navajo women wearing Navajo traditional dress speaking Navajo playing Comanche . Of course the whole thing was supose to be Texas and there was Monument Valley in the background.
I would never whack you with a ruler. My comment was about postings that were unreadable with multitude of errors. I am a poor speller myself but do try to check my spelling before posting. Besides I need you around to bust those kneecaps when I need them busted. lol.
Susan
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12th, 2008 03:35 pm |
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Bama46
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DG,
I would like to respond to your comments about spelling, punctuation and grammar.
At age 14 you and your friends have your own language and ways of expressing yourself. Part of that is to make certain adult s can't understand what you are saying.
Adults also have our language and ways of expressing ourselves and we have a set of rules to help us present clear communication that can be understood by all who read it. Those rules are spelling, grammar and punctuation. As you get older, you will find it more and more difficult to make yourself understood by others, if you do not know those rules and follow them. That is why Susan was trying to get you to correct your post...she could not understand what you were trying to say... and neither could I. I have read your post several times and still don't understnd what you are trying to say.
No one is jumping on you, we just want to see you suceed and know that you cannot without learning the rules of clear communication.
An example of what I am trying to say is this.. Can you read a map? If so, you know that there are standard symbols that represent certain things on a map. North is represented by an Arrow, rivers and streams by blue lines of various widths, roads by lines of various types, etc.
If, all of a sudden, you needed to follow a map that had none of the symbols you recognize, then you would have a very difficult time getting where you want to go.
It is the same with language, the rules of spelling, grammar and punctuation are like the symbols on a map..they keep all of us on track and going the same direction.
Does this make any sense?
Ed
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12th, 2008 03:40 pm |
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susansweet
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Bama , THANK YOU!!! exactly what I was trying to say . I love" the rules of the road", that is a perfect description of what spelling etc. are .
Great post.
Susan
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12th, 2008 10:13 pm |
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Johan Steele
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I would agree on Carson's book, it is one of the few period books w/ a legitimate honest look at the Native American of the time.
I spent three years of my HS career on the Reservation CRST (Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe) in SD. What I learned was & is priceless.
When I watched Dances w/ my HS friend Ishone (Lakota was her first language, she learned English in K-3) she was laughing so hard she peed her pants. The jokes and slams on Kevin & the govt are pretty hillarious. I asked her to translate once but she just started giggling and told me it was safer not to know. Several of my teachers and fellow students were extras, my best friends father was a language & cultural consultant.
It really is ironic though that I believe the most balanced and honest view of the Native American came from Louis L'amour.
Found out recently that my 1st grade teach was one of the last of her kind, she would wack you on the knuckles w/ an old wooden pointer if you sassed back, made bad spelling errors on the chalk board, or god forbid picked up and used a pencil or pen w/ your left hand. She would spank kids in the classroom, but IIRC the most common punishment was to stand against the blackboard w/ your hands in your hip pockets and your nose holding up a piece of paper. Funny at first; but it got old real fast. No one EVER got sent to the principals office; he was a pushover. Things have changed a wee bit. IIRC she had started teaching in a one room classroom in the late 30's. She refused to retire, my mother says the state mandatory retired her in 82 or so and I think she died a year or so later.
My mother was a special ed teach for thirty years, my better half teached in a "Special Needs" classroom. Her students are all physically or mentally challenged; I couldn't do it and she won't be after the baby shows up.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12th, 2008 10:35 pm |
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susansweet
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God bless your mother and wife. Working with special needs kids takes a special kind of person. I worked with special needs kids at the high end. I taught gifted kids for 20 years. Little kids that knew a lot but didn't know how they knew it. Had a sense of humor that was unreal but used it sometimes at the wrong time. Kids that were so adult one minute and then next sooo immmature. I loved the challenge everyday . Bright kids some of them no motivation , others highly motivated.
What an amazing experience you had Johan. How lucky you were .
Wow you had an interesting first grade teacher too. I started teaching during the period corporal punishment was allowed. I used it the first year I taught . I was young and doing what others told me to do. I hated it . My third year I was teaching kindergarten and one of my kids was on my last nerve with his behavior. I said to him, "Otis, do I have to spank you? I have had to give anyone a spanking in months. If I have to I will and it will make me cry." He was such a cute kid, a little slow . He looked at me with serious brown eyes and said ," Nope don't want you to cry." He straightened up . I soon learned there was the look, and other punishments that worked well . No more spankings or other such punishments. Never used the paper with the nose on the wall , Did have a time out chair with a timer . Also the kid that had soo much energy use to at least one a day have to run to the wall and back. Got the extra energy out and he was able to work again.
Oh and the spitter . He had to spit til he couldn't spit anymore.
Susan
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13th, 2008 12:15 am |
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I too went to school during the corporal punishment era. I used to skip football practice every once in a while and the coach would paddle my butt pretty good, but the punishment I rmember most occurred in the woodshop.
There was only one infraction that resulted in corporal punishment.... working with shirtsleeves NOT rolled up above the elbows. In those days the electric saws had no guards, just spinning sharp teeth. The teacher had a piece of Oak about 2 inches wide and if he caught any of us with our shirtsleeves rolled down, the offender placed his foot on a chair causing his thigh to be bent and available.... SWAT the oak came down on the thigh and it hurt like hell. The teacher's response was that to have an arm pulled into a saw would hurt more and he would be da***d if he was gonna be responsible for any one armed kids running around his school.
I have never forgotten that lesson...sometimes you make someone hurt a little in order to prevent them from hurting a lot....
Ed
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13th, 2008 12:34 am |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13th, 2008 01:52 am |
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ole
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Bama: I'm a tad older than you, and in high school there was no corporal punishment except to tell your father. Had your shop teacher tried that schtick on one of the Donovan or MacDonald or Heinemann boys, he'd be shopping for a bridge.
This was in a decidedly rural area in an era when the worst thing you could do to a kid was to complain to his father. No teacher touched a kid, ever. Some dropped out when they couldn't stomach school any more, but no kid ever challenged a teacher in my six years of high school. (That's a joke, son.)
ole
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13th, 2008 02:02 am |
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younglobo
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Ole.. walk down the halls of a school today , Much Much different .. Kids will do and say almost anything to an adult from flat out lie and worse. I am a youth sponsor and expressed my concerns to a parent and he chewed me out for bothering him with it, another wanted me to fix her kid for her.
I fear we have hijacked this thread BIG time
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13th, 2008 02:06 am |
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Johan Steele
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Aw c'mon Ole, I figured you for a Senior just this year! I wouldn't say you were a day over 81... err 18. Ole... where did you get that brick bat, you know I was kidding right? Please put that down, I was only... WHAP
Ok teaaachor Iy'll bo good nowwwww... ouch.
Just kidding, Ole would never wail on me w/ a brick bat; he'd just bribe my wife to clobber me w/ her skillet o doom which is far more frightening I might add.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13th, 2008 02:17 am |
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Johan Steele
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Nah younglobo we just need to keep to the theme. I owe the Apache HUGE for getting me out of jury duty. It was a rape case and defence asked me what I thought should be done to rapists. My reply: "I believe we should follow the example of the Apache."
Judge wanted me to expound; I did and suffice it to say the defence didn't want me on the jury. I can't imagine why; all it entailed was the guilty, a stick covered in honey and an anthill.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13th, 2008 02:41 am |
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susansweet
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Now that is a good excuse for getting off jury duty Johan . I like the idea though , would be a good punishment. I can just imagine what all the others in the room were thinking !!!!
The first jury case I was called to was the murder by shotgun of two 14 year old girls walking down a canyon road. It was the penalty phase of the trial. I was a nervous wreck sitting there facing the guy . My boy friend at the time told me to tell the court when they asked me that I believed they should "fry the bast*rd.!" I told him I couldn't say that . So instead I paraphased it To I think anyone that harms a child should be put to death. I was dismissed .
Susan
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17th, 2008 06:59 pm |
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younglobo
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susan, johan.. what a better and safer world we would live in if your examples were used in real life.
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