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 Posted: Mon Sep 15th, 2008 01:47 am
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Change...must be an election year. Same old mantra, different mouth. Same old thievery, different names. I don't know. No matter who gets in, same old business as usual. No change there!



 Posted: Mon Sep 15th, 2008 01:52 am
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Crazy Delawares wrote: Change...must be an election year. Same old mantra, different mouth. Same old thievery, different names. I don't know. No matter who gets in, same old business as usual. No change there!

very good point CD



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 Posted: Mon Sep 15th, 2008 02:10 am
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..."ain't desperate housewives on ?"

Worse JDC. I'm trying to follow it during Sunday Night Football. To the more religious, this would be akin to playing a good game of poker during church services ;)



 Posted: Mon Sep 15th, 2008 02:28 am
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JDC Duncan wrote: ain't desperate housewives on ?
oh please no, not you too.....i swear i cant escape Desperate Housewives fans, even my grandparents like it, im more of a C.S.I: Miami kinda person myself



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 Posted: Mon Sep 15th, 2008 03:08 am
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TimK wrote: What concerns me about this, and another very similar thread, is the polarization I see. Posters that normally carry on logical, interesting and sometimes humorous posts (remember when that poster called Wrap10 Warp10, and it was okay because of Star Trek), seem to be at each others throats. Even Hitler finds his way in. We, as a simple discussion group can't seem to respect when it comes to politics. How will our country come together if the paranoia about a new president works to divide us? This is the change I would like to see when the term of this incredibly polarizing president is over.
Hi Tim,

Actually I think we still respect each other here. It's only our various opinions we all find to be nuts. ;)

We'll always have political division even in good times. And these times aren't as bad as they are sometimes made out to be, in my view. But it's the nature of our system. The hollering is sort of part of the process. Sometimes it's a bit muted and other times it gets a little shrill. Only once has it ever reached the point where everyone stood on opposite sides with zero common ground left in the middle. But we're not even close to that now in my opinion, even though the hollering needle seems to be pegged out on "Shrill" at the moment. If the country survived something as cataclysmic as a civil war, we'll make it through this time as well. Even if we make such a serious mistake as to elect Bara....I mean, regardless of who wins the election. ;)

Perry



 Posted: Mon Sep 15th, 2008 05:41 am
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Pogo was the one that said we have met the enemy and he is us .  Gator was in the cartoon too but Pogo was a opossum .  One of my favorite comic stripes . Can't believe you remember Pogo.    I agree with you though JDC.  Ole has stired the pot .  Love the George Carlin quote. 

Miss Susan 



 Posted: Mon Sep 15th, 2008 12:57 pm
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No intention of stirring the pot -- just sharing a funny observation into which the name of anyone could be inserted.

Javal, please remove the thread.

ole



 Posted: Mon Sep 15th, 2008 02:12 pm
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No wories Ole - in this case I think stirring the pot was meant as a good thing. No reason to delete the thread.



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yep all in good fun and besides sometimes the pot needs to be stirred, it keeps things from getting boring



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 Posted: Mon Sep 15th, 2008 08:24 pm
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Hey, while we're trying Bush on trumped up RICO charges, why don't we try the Democratic Candidate for real Logan Act violations? :

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obama_tried_to_stall_gis_iraq_withdrawal_129150.htm?&page=1



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Lordy David - an opinion piece written by a right-winger in a Murdoch paper! Surely you can do better than that. By the way, he doesn't mention if this supposed drawdown was tied to the status of forces plot GWB's been trying to push on Iraq. Did it? If so, then Obama's 100% right to try to delay it till Congress can have a say-so.



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I know Javal it is little better than the National Enquirer isn't it?

So he may delay it by violating the law and negotiating with foreign nationals versus working the deal through the proper channels?

Again, like the Enquirer there is truth to the story and yes again you won't hear about it in the MSM, are you starting to figure that one out yet?



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Yes David, I've had the great Republican MSM conspiracy theory figured out for years. I know where it originated and who originated it. What you don't seem to realize is that screaming about it louder doesn't make it any truer.

BTW, where were the great conspiracy theorists back when the Times and Post were nailing Bill Clinton to the wall every day. The shrill choir sure stopped singing quick.

As for your pseudo-news story, bring me a real news article about it (not an opinion piece) and we'll talk....oh, never mind, forgot about that conspiracy thing.



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You mean the Monica story that Newsweek sat on for 8 months until, what I'll assume you think is another "faux" news source, Drudge spilled the beans? It's like the Edwards thing, they'll ignore it as long as they can until they are forced to cover it.

Where's your evdience of Bush violating RICO, is it better than a New York Post piece?

The Iraqi official is corroborating the story, which is something the NYT's "McCain had affairs" hit piece totally lacked-- didn't stop the presses though.



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Love to debate it more tonight David, but it's time to start work. To be continued I'm sure...;)



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Doc J

Changing your avatar is very similar to the politicos changing there positions. Dems/repubs similar to the difference between horse and cow manure. If anyone out there thinks either party will improve their lives, keep on thinking those happy thoughts. INDIVDUALS AND THEIR ACTIONS ALONE ARE THE ONES THAT MAKE OUR COUNTRY GREAT.

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Doc-

Certainly not the first time I've heard that. Frankly, I don't understand the point. That you've given up on the political process? Fine. Your choice. You have one thing less to do Nov. 4th than I do.

INDIVDUALS AND THEIR ACTIONS ALONE ARE THE ONES THAT MAKE OUR COUNTRY GREAT.

Um - like voting? Individual effort is all anyone can give, but to pretend government policy doesn't affect the minimization or maximizing of the results of that effort is false.

I don't mean the following to sound as snarky as I'm sure it will, but I'm on lunch break and short of time -    I understand where you're at. It's not somewhere I want to be. I understand you view yourself as a realist and me as an idealist. I would see you as a defeatist and me as a cautious realist who's just not ready to throw up my hands in despair. Kay-sa-ra-sa-ra...or however the hell you spell that.



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Javal

Given up, not at all. In my opinion there's much more we can do than just voting. Volunteer, mentor, contribute, teach, but to vote NO. 4 out of 5 isn't bad. If that's a defeatist well as the spinach eater would say "I am what I am"

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