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| Posted: Mon Jan 19th, 2009 04:20 pm |
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fedreb Member 
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As an Englishman I cannot comment on whose tax dollars pay for what but what I do know is that, anyway you look at things, tomorrows inauguration is history in the making and as a history buff I will be in front of the TV watching.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 19th, 2009 05:15 pm |
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javal1 Grumpy Geezer 
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But don't forget that perhaps some public money may be used, there's also a huge economic boost to DC (hotels, meals, entertainment), etc. Part of that comes back to the federal govt. through taxes. And what's the alternative - tell the million or two who want to see it that they can't? As for the comment about "the inaugural crap", perhaps you should spend some time in places where the transfer of power consists of murder, armies terrorizing cotizens, etc. Maybe you'll learn to appreciate what you have.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 19th, 2009 06:01 pm |
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Dixie Girl Southern Belle 
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javal1 wrote: As for the comment about "the inaugural crap", perhaps you should spend some time in places where the transfer of power consists of murder, armies terrorizing cotizens, etc. Maybe you'll learn to appreciate what you have. i do appreciate what i have, but i see it as nothing more than crap. its just one big party that serves no point. why don't they just get inaugurated in a a office somewhere and then get on with it. what is the point of televising it and going all out when it could be done very simply?
____________________ War Means Fighting And Fighting Means Killing - N. B. Forrest When war does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard." Stonewall Jackson |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 20th, 2009 01:00 am |
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Crazy Delawares Member 
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One can appreciate what one has without spending (wasting?) millions of dollars celebrating it. I'm guessing that there are a great many people who got the President elected who figure this party is "owed to them." I wonder how angry they'd be if there was no party? Only the ceremony and then "Let's get to work!"
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| Posted: Tue Jan 20th, 2009 01:24 am |
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Once again Joe you have said what I was thinking. I will be in front of the tv tomorrow morning just like I have been for many since I saw Monte Montana lasso Eisenhower in the early 50's . I will never forget seeing that when I was in school watching on a very small tv. Doesn't matter who the president is I watch feeling pride that our country has freedom of elections and a two party system. It is sure not "crap"
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| Posted: Tue Jan 20th, 2009 01:42 am |
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javal1 Grumpy Geezer
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Susan, the first one I saw was Earl Warren swearing LBJ in in 1965. I was extremely young  But I haven't missed one since (OK one, but TV reception sucks 1,000 feet underwater). Didn't really matter if I liked or agreed with the guy being sworn in, it was the meaning of the ceremony itself. A public, peaceful transition is the basis of democracy. I'll let others complain about extraneous things because I know tomorrow it will be a current affair. Wednesday, it will be history.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 20th, 2009 01:46 am |
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susansweet3 Member
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Exactly what I was saying , Joe. It is a major event that will be part of history. I want to see it and I can't get to Washington. Will have a better seat in front of my tv. Susan
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| Posted: Tue Jan 20th, 2009 01:54 am |
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TimK Member
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Parties or not, this is history. I think the immature use of one word set me off, and changed the direction of this thread. So, in fairness to Pam, I wonder if people were put off by the parties associated with the inauguration in 1861? I wasn't actually there, but I understand there was quite a bit of turmoil then, also.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 20th, 2009 01:59 am |
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Doc C Member 
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Andrew Jacksons party at the White House after his swearing in was the one I'd most liked to have attended. A real down and out drunk with people spilling out to the lawn. Doc C
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| Posted: Tue Jan 20th, 2009 02:04 am |
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Doc C Member
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Wonder what Lincoln thought on his way back from his swearing in at the capitol in 1865 when he had to pass the many brothels located on Pennsylvannia Ave? I agree with all the above posts, that irregardless of how one feels, this is HISTORY. Doc C
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| Posted: Tue Jan 20th, 2009 02:27 am |
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susansweet3 Member
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I remember reading at Jackson's inauguration people flowed into the White House some even sitting on the mantle's of the fireplaces. Susan
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| Posted: Tue Jan 20th, 2009 12:46 pm |
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Dixie Girl Southern Belle
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let me word what i mean better......i think that the hoopla associated with the inauguration, not the ceremony itself is superfluous, outrageously expensive, unnecessary, and to a certain extent cheesy.. Why do we need all those Black tie balls/ all the money wasted...the idea is to get him into office, not break the bank with celebrations....
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| Posted: Tue Jan 20th, 2009 12:52 pm |
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javal1 Grumpy Geezer
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As Tim tried to remind us - we're way off topic. The Lincoln-Obama comparison was the topic. Let's get back to it or let the thread die a natural death.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 02:32 am |
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Kentucky_Orphan Member 
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First, let me say this-Obama is now winding down his first full day as President. So, how can I compare Obama to Lincoln? Obama has basically done nothing yet. I am reminded of a conversation I heard a few weeks ago. People discussing Obama, and saying "He is already turning things around". How absurd is that? The man had not even been sworn in yet, and he is turning things around? Obama has a lot on his plate. All we can do is pray that he does the best for the country. Let's pray also, however, that he doesn't have to deal with close to what Lincoln had to during his stent as president.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 12:09 pm |
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Doc C Member
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The only comparison which can be made between the two at the present time is their 2 roads to the office. Lincoln's securing the nomimation in Chicago was in many ways a perfect storm - extremely competent floor men, being centrist compared to his opponents (seward, chase, bates), patience to move at the right time. The only similarity so far is the fact that Pres. Obama took advantage of the mistakes Clinton made. Doc C
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 11:21 pm |
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pamc153PA Member
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Okay, folks, I threw this one out for opinions and then promptly got the flu, so I'm just getting back to the land of the living. . . I didn't even really watch the inauguration even though it was on TV. Anyway, I think many of you are sort of proving what I was getting at, that Obama and staff could make all the Lincoln comparisons and coincidences they wanted to, but now it comes down to Obama to prove he's worthy of any sort of comparison, not necessarily in the specific situations he must contend with (the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are in no way the Civil War equivalents), but in his philosophy and his way of dealing with his/the country's challenges. We can create a list of reasons why Lincoln has become the icon he has, but it's up to Obama, if he so chooses, to distill what he feels is important from Lincoln's presidency--actually, any or all of his presidential predecessors--and start using those things to build on and create his own presidency. But he must start doing his own thing soon; you can only rest on someone else's laurels for so long. Just MHO, post flu. . . Pam
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23rd, 2009 05:17 pm |
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jeffand Member 
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Although I did not vote for President Obama, I hope that he can make a positive difference. I do think that his comparing himself to Lincoln is a bit of a stretch
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