 |
| Posted: Fri Mar 3rd, 2006 04:15 pm |
|
1st Post |
Notch
Member
|
I read at another site in a post that a particular fellow didn't think that the Battle of Wilson's Creek near Springfield Missouri on August 10, 1861 was a "important" or major battle.
I beg to differ.
It was the second major battle of the war, the first General was killed, a major battle in a deeply divided state, had a 16% casualty rate, it showed the ineffectiveness General John C Fremont, and with a southern victory it provided provided guerrilla bands with a cause celebre for which they subjected the area to years of bushwhacking, arson, raiding and murder.
Was it important? Absolutely. Wilsons Creek offered a glimpse early on of the carnage that was about to be unfolded over the next three years of Civil War.
|
|
Back To Top
|
| You have chosen to ignore indy19th. click Here to view this post |
|---|
| Posted: Fri Mar 3rd, 2006 04:52 pm |
|
2nd Post |
indy19th
Guest
|
Relative to any number of other bloodbaths, Wilson's Creek wasn't AS important as those. I guess it depends on what kind of scale you use. I'd call it an important battle, but maybe not a MAJOR one.
The Rebs won the battle, but lost the state anyway following Pea Ridge, so how crucial was it to the big picture?
|
|
Back To Top
|
| Posted: Fri Aug 11th, 2006 08:17 pm |
|
3rd Post |
younglobo
Member
|
ok standing up for my home state , If i remember right wasn't Wilson' S Creek were the first US Gen. was killed that makes it important plus the casualty rate. But after reflection is one battlefeild or skirmish site more important than others , if its Gettysburg or Little Blue Ford if men died there its important.
|
|
Back To Top
|
| Posted: Fri Aug 11th, 2006 08:33 pm |
|
4th Post |
javal1
Grumpy Geezer
|
Actually, I believe General Robert Garnett was the first General killed in the war on the retreat from Rich Mt. in July, 1861.
Edit: Although in your first post you just say "first general", I see now that you later say "first US General", so nevermind 
Last edited on Fri Aug 11th, 2006 08:46 pm by javal1
|
|
Back To Top
|
| Posted: Fri Aug 11th, 2006 09:17 pm |
|
5th Post |
younglobo
Member
|
Man javal mad me jump made me jump that was quick,, are you bored at work too wait here comes the boss..............
|
|
Back To Top
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 8th, 2006 06:06 am |
|
6th Post |
leaglebu
Member
|
Wilson's Creek was important also for the fact that it produced future leaders and General's, both north and south, in the years/tear's to come.
|
|
Back To Top
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 8th, 2006 06:06 am |
|
7th Post |
leaglebu
Member
|
Wilson's Creek was important also for the fact that it produced future leaders and General's, both north and south, in the years/tear's to come.
|
|
Back To Top
|
| Posted: Fri Aug 31st, 2007 08:17 pm |
|
8th Post |
traygreen
Member
|
The death of Gen Lyon alone makes the battle important to the Trans-Mississippi theater and the war as a whole. He had shown the ability to lead his men agressively - both at Booneville and in the lead up to and battle at Wilson's Creek. His ackowledgement that to stay on the defensive in Springfield was to court disaster and to decide to go on the offensive wins him points in my book.
His major short-coming appeared to be logistics, but I think that was the case for many of the commanders at this stage of the war.
BTW - am planning to be out to Wilson's Creek and Pea Ridge over Labor Day.
|
|
Back To Top
|
| Posted: Fri Aug 31st, 2007 08:57 pm |
|
9th Post |
javal1
Grumpy Geezer
|
traygreen,
Welcome to the board. Just visited your website - what a very cool idea! Hope it takes off for you...
|
|
Back To Top
|
| Posted: Fri Aug 31st, 2007 09:01 pm |
|
10th Post |
traygreen
Member
|
TY - the Bulge went well and we are full for Normandy this year. I am hoping to post some pictures here on Monday or Tuesday. Monday if I come straight home, Tuesday if I stop in Oklahoma for Homey Springs and Cabin Creek.
Actually planning Tennessee Valley in '09 - should start scouting in Nov with a couple of trips. My brother-in-law used to live in Nashville so hopefully he can help out.
Where in TN are you from?
Last edited on Fri Aug 31st, 2007 09:03 pm by traygreen
|
|
Back To Top
|
| Posted: Fri Aug 31st, 2007 09:11 pm |
|
11th Post |
javal1
Grumpy Geezer
|
Tray -
I'm exactly 1/2 way between Nashville and Memphis (5 miles from Parker's Crossroads). If there's anything we can do to help out, let me know.
|
|
Back To Top
|
| Posted: Fri Aug 31st, 2007 09:27 pm |
|
12th Post |
traygreen
Member
|
Definitely will. We have a rough plan mapped out which will run through the N/S corridor Ft Donelson - Shiloh. We will be looking to fill up 6-7 days and are always looking for local experts. One thing that drew me to this board was the number of active members that reference working in the historical field esp on the battlefields.
I'm new to this boards - obviously. Mainly post on historical gaming boards & Armchair General, but liked what I saw here so signed up after lurking a bit.
Feel free to contact me on or off board (address on the website) with any thoughts or suggestions you might have. My brother-in-law has been to quite a few of the stops we are looking at, but most over 5-7 years ago. We are definitely going to need a couple of site visits to get up to speed. I have a staff ride document or two to begin with, but will also need to (my wife would groan) buy some more maps and books and likely spend 2+ weeks scouting over the next year  - rough work.
Last edited on Fri Aug 31st, 2007 09:29 pm by traygreen
|
|
Back To Top
|
younglobo
Member
|
TG.. cool pics and site sounds like a interesting tour glad to see an interest in the western theatre
|
|
Back To Top
|
susansweet
Member
|
Tr welcome to the board, brought back memories of my visit to Wilson's Creek. The two times I have been I have pretty much had the fields to myself.
You mentioned going a middle Tennessee trip. Get yourself a copy of Eric Jacobson's For Cause & for Country about the Spring Hills, Franklin battles. It is outstanding. Many of us on here read it before we did a muster there this past June. We had Eric as one of our two tour guides, the other was Tom Cartwright from the Carter House. Javal came to the last night of the muster. Was such a treat to meet him and Laurie in person.
Susan
There is also a new book out of Shiloh many of us purchased last June also . I have not gotten to it yet to read, but everyone that has raves about it. Ted Savas published it , I for the life of me right now can't remember the Author, I think it is Cunningham, Title is Shiloh . Hope that is right Someone help with the author and title .
|
|
Back To Top
|
calcav
Member
|
Susan,
The book is "Shiloh and the Western Campaign of 1862" by O. Edward Cunningham. He wrote it in 1966 for his Ph.D. but never published it. Former Shiloh Ranger Tim Smith and Gary Joiner edited the manuscript and Savas published it.
An excellent book.
Tom
|
|
Back To Top
|
susansweet
Member
|
Thanks Tom, the book is over on the shelf. I bought my copy at Shiloh last June. I was too lazy to get up and go look. Hope things are well in Corinth at that wonderful visitors center. The bookstore there is a good one too . You would have laughed at the stack I walked out with. Lady in the bookstore was really nice . No it wasn't Nita, I asked.
Take care,
Susan
|
|
Back To Top
|
traygreen
Member
|
"Shiloh and the Western Campaign of 1862" is excellent.
Thanks for the reference to Jacobson's "For Cause & for Country". We are in the process of deciding what our next ACW trip will be.
RE Wilson's Creek. I had a blast. Was there over Labor Day weekend so there were a few folks around. Most of the traffic was on the road and the trails were pretty clear. Walked everything but the cornfield.
|
|
Back To Top
|
| You have chosen to ignore ks. click Here to view this post |
|---|
| Posted: Fri Sep 21st, 2007 06:04 am |
|
19th Post |
ks
Guest
|
javal1 wrote: Actually, I believe General Robert Garnett was the first General killed in the war on the retreat from Rich Mt. in July, 1861.
Edit: Although in your first post you just say "first general", I see now that you later say "first US General", so nevermind
Whew! For a moment there I thought you were ready to denigrate the Saviour of Missouri. Surely Laurie wouldn't stand (or sit) for that. 
Still have my fan. Do you all??
Attachment: nattyfan.jpg (Downloaded 33 times)
|
|
Back To Top
|
| Posted: Fri Sep 21st, 2007 06:19 am |
|
20th Post |
Current time is 01:26 am | Page: 1 2   |
|
|
|
