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 Posted: Thu Oct 2nd, 2008 09:49 pm
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I'd guess that Miss Susan will object to that. Better to let sleeping roaches lie where they are. And hope that the skeeters don't carry off any of Johan's little 'uns.

Now, Dixie Girl, don't you have a paper to work on? I'd like to see some of that when you get into it.



 Posted: Thu Oct 2nd, 2008 10:41 pm
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I don't think we need southern roaches here in California or anywhere else in the west. Yes as Ole said don't you have homework to do?
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 Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 01:30 am
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well it aint due til Nov. 10th so i got some time to kill, and besides ive been working on reading some books, but we are doing it slowly, seeing as its our first research paper my teacher is helping everybody write theirs, so its turning into more of a class project thingy than a real paper. i guess ill need to start writing soon but i think i chose a pretty complicated subject, theres so much on it and they are all very think books, i love to read so thats not a problem but its just that theres not nearly enough hours in the day to do everything i gotta do and read all those books and write the paper and have somebody proof read it (by the way will yall PLEASE PLEASE proof read it for me and then tell me what yall think???? it would help a ton) and then type it. just thinking about all that makes me tired



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 Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 01:41 am
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Gee all of that is called getting an education. Many of us wrote papers in the days when we had a typewriter and it was not electric. I was excited the day i found erasable paper. Didn't have to retype a page over again with I made a mistake at the end of the page.

When I got my masters I finally had a computer to type and create my paper on . wow spell check was great. Now there is even grammer check etc.



 Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 01:48 am
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susansweet wrote: Gee all of that is called getting an education.
i know, i know, and i work hard for my grades i dont slack and my straight A's and my 4.0 gpa proves that. but im just over whelmed at the moment, ive got a ton of stuff to do besides school work and im way stressed, and haveing to write this paper aint helping any.



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 Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 01:53 am
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JDC Duncan wrote: I'd also like to know if you went to the 54th NC Field
Hospital's site. With your interest in the time period
and medicine, I think you should join up !


yeah JDC i loved the site. i found some very useful info on it that i could use in my paper. i probably will join up, thanks so much for sending me the link!!! :D



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 Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 03:19 am
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One thing I didn't learn in school was that a month gives you time to put some real effort into it. If the paper is due on the 10th, the time to start is the 9th. I can't begin to tell you how very wrong I've been. In the business I was in, I did put in a 60 hour day trying to catch up with what might have been a leisurely walk in the park if I'd started the project earlier. A compadre walked in, allowed me to shower and shave while he made copies. I got on the plane and was asleep before it lifted off. You have a month. Make good use of your time. Starting now.

If you don't know what to write, start anyway. Somewhere in there you will come to know what you want to say. If you learn nothing else, at least learn to get the jump. Get 'er done.



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Ole, wiser words were never spoken. You gave the perfect advice.



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Dixie Girl, good for you, you've chosen an excellent but difficult topic.

You've already read other posts about the lack of medical knowledge, and the lack of medical supplies.  You've already learned that a minie ball, with its big slug and low muzzle velocity, shattered a bone.  To this day there is no way to put a shattered bone back together - hence the many amputations, and subsequent infections.

There was another limiting factor as well.  Call it attitude or philosophy of medical treatment.  Physicians and surgeons were two different occupations, often they didn't speak each other's language.

A book called "Cyclone in Calico: The Story of Mary Ann Bickerdyke," is the biography of a woman from Galesburg, Illinois, who had no academic training in medicine, but knew everything about how to take care of sick people.  She was a nurse during the Civil War, starting in the training camps in Cairo, Illinois, where the boys were sick with measles, typhoid, and other communicable diseases.  This is a quote from page 5.

"The Galesburg boys, and others from all over the state, were dying like flies in Cairo.  Dying, not on the field of battle, but in filthy, ill-equipped hospital tents, neglected and untended.  Dying of dysentery, of pneumonia, of typhoid, of all the civilian ills from which proper care might save them.  They had no proper care.  They lay on rotten straw, under rotten canvas that let in the rain or the broiling summer sun.  They ate, or did not eat, the salt pork, hardtack, beans and coffee that were the army ration.  The army did not distinguish between a sick soldier and a well one, except that a man too sick to stand was excused from drill.  Sick or well, he drew his eleven dollars a month and his ration of uncooked beans and bacon.  What he did with them was his own concern.  The army doctors were expressly classified as surgeons, not physicians.  Their business was the care of wounded men after battle.  Soldiers were not supposed to be sick.  Succumbing to civilian diease in camp carried a stong suspicion of malingering to the army mind.  The regular surgeons paid very little attention to such patients.  If they did bother to visit and prescribe, it was unlikely that the medical stores held the proper drugs to fill the prescription.  The only nurses were convalescent patients, often too weak themselves to turn a sick man on his straw pallet."

"Cycline in Calico" is by Nina Brown Baker and was oublished in 1952 by Little, Brown and Company, Boston.  I'm sure it's out of print, but your public library might be able to find it for you via Interlibrary Loan.  It's only 254 pages.

Good luck with your paper.

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 Posted: Tue Oct 7th, 2008 01:38 am
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this might sound like a really stupid question but here goes:

if there wasnt any specialists in the Civil War times where did people go for specific problems?

i ask this because, over the weekend i tore the tendons in my right arm and against my protests my mom is making me go see a orthopedist because it is slightly swollen and it hurts a bit but im ok i dont think i need to go to a doctor (if it wasnt for her id never go)

but it got me wondering, if you tore something like that back then what could the doctor do for you? would you even go to the doctor over ever little thing like we do now??



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Ever heard the term "living water?" At the time of the ACW it didn't have the religious conotations it does today but refered to the bugs in the water. If it wasn't hurting the bugs how could it hurt a person?



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heres my cover page and thesis

The Advances and Limitations Of Civil War Medicine



   Thesis: Though there were many limitations to Civil War Medicine, there were also many advances that opened the gateway to modern medicine.

I. Physicians Of The Civil War
  A. Surgeons
  B. Surgeon General
  C. General Doctors

II. Help Is On The Way
  A. Ambulance Corps
  B. Sanitary Commission
  C. Hospitals
 
III. The Fight For Life
  A. Disease
  B. Infection
  C. Epidemics
  D. Amputations

Last edited on Fri Oct 17th, 2008 02:57 am by Dixie Girl



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Very nice Dixie, but maybe a litttle ambitious. If you think you can do it, go for it. BTW, minor point - gateway in the instance you use it would be one word. Good job, and yes, feel free to post the finished product.



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thanks for tip javal. i thought it ought to be one word but i was having a blank moment.



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ok, this is only the beginning of my first draft but i would like some of yall to read it and tell me what you think and if im on the right track for writing about this subject.


In the early 1800's medicine was just starting to advance. With the medical breakthroughs of Joseph Lister and Louis Pastur, older methods of practicing medicine was beginning to die out. Southern medical schools were popular and easily compared with Northern schools. In the North a 4 or 5 month course was given that mainly consisted of lectures, whereas, in the South a 9 month course was required. The reason for longer courses in the South was to not only give lectures but to give demonstrations as well. Then in 1861 at the beginning of the war men and doctors were quickly recruited to serve on both sides. At the time when President Lincoln called for 75,00 volunteers the U.S. Medical Department had 1 surgeon general, 30 surgeons and 83 assistant surgeons. Because of the massive numbers of volunteers the War Department ruled that 1 surgeon and 1 assistant surgeon be assigned to each surgeon. The new Confederacy formed a medical department similar to the Union's. Like in everything else, the Confederacy experienced a shortage in surgeons throughout the war. In both the Union and Confederacy there were boards designed to review a surgeons qualifications before he was assigned to a regiment. Unfortunately those with political connections passed the review more often than not. Many of these surgeons were incompetent and had a dislike of the the sick and wounded men. While there were a few surgeons who did care care for the men and help the suffering, most of em just helped fill graves. Many men got horrible infections from the lack of knowledge the surgeons had at the time about sterilizing their equipment after they were used. Soon Medical Inspectors were assigned to watch over the treatment that was given to the sick and wounded. Both sides also required that all enlisted men be given a physical examination. In haste to get the men to where they were needed they were given very poor exams or not given one at all. Because of this many men were sent into service that were not fit to be there.

Last edited on Fri Oct 17th, 2008 04:45 pm by Dixie Girl



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