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 Posted: Thu Nov 19th, 2009 02:07 am
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From the Declaration of Independence:

"We, therefore, the representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the name, and by the authority of the good people of these colonies, solemnly publish and declare, that these united colonies are, and of right ought to be free and independent states; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the state of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as free and independent states, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent states may of right do."

That means each state was a separate nation, contrary to the Union's claim; therefore each one had the right to secede, since that's one of the things that "free and independent states may of right do."

I'd just like to know what the US government has to say for itself, after killing all those people in order to stop them from being free and independent states; this was just like any other ruthless nation taking over free countries and killing people.

ole wrote: Both documents were written with a goal of government by the people. This was a first. All governments were, until that time, run by an aristocracy.(Skipping over the "democracies" of Greece and Rome.)

After a fashion, this republic still operates on that principle. In 1860, the grand experiment was challenged. One side saw in the Declaration that it could declare itself a different nation. The other side saw that the experiment would fail if a part of it could withdraw whenever it pleased.

So we had a situation that only an armed conflict could resolve.

Unless one can read plain English, as illustrated clearly above.

And ignorance of the law is never an excuse for anyone to violate it-- especially the president.

However, Lincoln clearly suspended habeas corpus in order for this reason-- i.e. that it was so plainly obvious that he was dead wrong about his claim, that the only way to pull it off was to censor the opposition.

Don't know about the rest of you, but I'm rather glad about the way it turned out.

So you're glad about leaders of your country who lied, suppressed free speech,  and murdered hundreds of thousands in order to take over their free nations and turn them into third-world occupied regions.

Last edited on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 03:32 am by ThomasWashington

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