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Texas Defender wrote:   Wonderful, Unionblue. On another thread, the Confederates were compared to the Nazis. Now on this one you bring on someone who compares them to communists.
  The last thing in the world they were was communists, since the relative weakness of the central government was a great handicap to the Confederates.
I was under the impression the author of the article was likening the Confederacy to those coup attempts in South America, saying the 'revolution' was for one thing, when it was actually for something else.  With four, direct Confederate ancestors of my own, I am also of the opinion they were not 'communists' in any true sense of the word.  Sorry if I gave offense, as it was not intended, but the paragraph was presented so the second one would not be out of context. This latest quoted person's objection to secession is to argue the morality of slavery. That is a separate question and does not speak to the legal question of secession, which is what was being discussed before.I was under the impression that we were trying to compare the Declaration of Independence and its listed reasons for the separation from England so that we could compare them with the reasons the South separated from the Union.  In my view, it would be totally impossible to do so without the issue of slavery, as it was a primary reason the South seceded from the Union.Maintaining that one : "rebellion" is justifiable because in your opinion its based on positive moral principles, and saying another is illegal because in your opinion it isn't based on sound moral principles is an absurdity. Mixing a moral question with a legal one answers neither.Neither was the rebellion of 1776 a legal matter, as no rebellion is grounded in law, but in moral principles.  The Founders knew this.  What's that line from the movie, 1776 by the character that plays Ben Franklin?  "Rebellion is illegal in the third person, such as "their rebellion."  "It is only legal in the first person, such as "our rebellion."  I submit rebellions are mostly resorted to for moral reasons than legal ones.The issue of slavery was of course the catalyst issue, but it wasn't the only one. The larger question was (and to a degree still is) how much authority the federal government rightfully has over the states.The issue of slavery was "the largest tree in the forrest" as General Gordon stated after the war.  Again, when comparing the reasons the colonies of 1776 rebelled against England, and the reason the South rebelled against the Union, I see very little in comparison from one to the other.

 

 



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