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 Posted: Wed Dec 12th, 2012 10:09 pm
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Johan Steele
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As a note it wasn't until John Browning linked up w/ Winchester that a lever action repeater was produced firing anything more than carbine ammo... they just weren't strong enough to handle the heavier recoil & pressures of the .50-70, .50-100 etc.

The .45-70 Trapdoor Springfield was a superbly accurate arm for the day, likely the most accurate off the shelf black powder arm adopted by any military. The Spencer was about a 300 yard rifle w/ the Carbine a 200 yarder... the Trapdoor rifle in .45-70 an 800 yarder w/ the carbine being a very good 400 yarder. On the plains or the desert of the SW accurate long range fire was a very real advantage. The reality of western Europe calls/called for considerably less than that. In both WW1 & WW2 the major warring nations had 6-800 yard rifles as their primary arm. Combat experiance showed all involved that was more gun than was really needed as most combat took place at well under 400 yards. The Russians loved their SMG's & none of those were ever really intended for combat at more than 100 yards...

In some ways the Lakota & Cheyenne were better armed than Custers men but that was largely negated by the practices of the typical plains warrior. Maint & care for the arm could be. at best, called benign neglect. Accurate shooting at much more than arms length wasn't really a favored tactic of the Lakota or Cheyenne, they favored up close & personal. hey often cut down their arms & I do mean cut down. They typically favored carbine length arms due to their handiness on horseback and buckshotloads were an absolute favorite. Combat at under 50 yards was their favored method... that isn't to say there weren't Lakota or Cheyenne that could shoot as there clearly were. Reno's men were handled roughly by a straight shooting Lakota warrior w/ a Sharps buffalo gun at 4-500 yards range. And in the SW some Apache had a rep for excellent long range shooting.

Only two militaries ever adopted a lever action rifle for standard usage. The Turks adopted the Winchester in .44 for their Cav & the Russians LOVED the M1895 Winchester in 7.62 x 54R.

I ramble...

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