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Sorry for the font change



All of you educated folks will appreciate this.  Have we dumbed down or what?

 

 

Could you pass this thing?


8th Grade Test

What it took to get an 8th grade education in 1895!

Remember when grandparents and great-grandparents stated that they only had an 8th grade education? Well, check this out. Could any of us have passed the 8th grade in 1895?
This is the eighth-grade final exam from 1895 in Salina, Kansas, USA.  It was taken from the original document on file at the Smokey Valley Genealogical Society and Library in Salina, KS, and reprinted by the Salina Journal.




8th Grade Final Exam: Salina, KS -1895
Grammar (Time, one hour)



1. Give nine rules for the use of capital letters.
2. Name the parts of speech and define those that have no modifications.
3. Define verse, stanza and paragraph
4. What are the principal parts of a verb? Give principal parts of"lie,""play," and "run."
5. Define case; Illustrate each case.
6. What is punctuation? Give rules for principal marks of punctuation.
7 - 10. Write a composition of about 150 words and show therein that you understand the practical use of the rules of grammar.




Arithmetic (Time, 1.25 hours)



1. Name and define the Fundamental Rules of Arithmetic.
2. A wagon box is 2 ft. deep, 10 feet long, and 3 ft. wide. How many bushels of wheat will it hold?
3. If a load of wheat weighs 3942 lbs., what is it worth at 50cts/bushel, deducting 1050 lbs. for tare?
4. District No. 33 has a valuation of $35,000. What is the necessary levy to carry on a school seven months at $50 per month, and have $104 for incidentals?
5. Find the cost of 6720 lbs. coal at $6.00 per ton.
6. Find the interest of $512.60 for 8 months and 18 days at 7 percent.
7. What is the cost of 40 boards 12 inches wide and 16 ft. long at $20 per metre?
8. Find bank discount on $300 for 90 days (no grace) at 10 percent.
9. What is the cost of a square farm at $15 per acre, the distance of which is 640 rods?
10. Write a Bank Check, a Promissory Note, and a Receipt.




U.S. History (Time, 45 minutes)



1. Give the epochs into which U.S. History is divided.
2. Give an account of the discovery of
America by Columbus.
3. Relate the causes and results of the Revolutionary War.
4. Show the territorial growth of the
United States.
5. Tell what you can of the history of
Kansas.
6. Describe three of the most prominent battles of the Rebellion.
7. Who were the following: Morse, Whitney, Fulton, Bell, Lincoln, Penn, and Howe?
8. Name events connected with the following dates: 1607, 1620, 1800, 1849, 1865.




Orthography (Time, one hour) Do we even know what this is??



1. What is meant by the following: Alphabet, phonetic, orthography, etymology, syllabication
2. What are elementary sounds? How classified?
3. What are the following, and give examples of each: Trigraph, subvocals, diphthong, cognate letters, lingual.
4. Give four substitutes for caret 'u.' (HUH?)
5. Give two rules for spelling words with final 'e.' Name two exceptions under each rule.
6. Give two uses of silent letters in spelling. Illustrate each.
7. Define the following prefixes and use in connection with a word: bi, dis, mis, pre, semi, post, non, inter, mono, sup.
8. Mark diacritically and divide into syllables the following, and name the sign that indicates the sound: card, ball, mercy, sir, odd, cell, rise, blood, fare, last.
9. Use the following correctly in sentences: cite, site, sight, fane, fain, feign, vane, vain, vein, raze, raise, rays.
10. Write 10 words frequently mispronounced and indicate pronunciation by use of diacritical marks and by syllabication.




Geography (Time, one hour)



1 What is climate? Upon what does climate depend?
2. How do you account for the extremes of climate in
Kansas?
3. Of what use are rivers? Of what use is the ocean?
4. Describe the mountains of
North America
5. Name and describe the following: Monrovia, Odessa, Denver, Manitoba, Hecla, Yukon, St. Helena, Juan Fernandez, Aspinwall and Orinoco.
6. Name and locate the principal trade centers of the
U.S.
7. Name all the republics of Europe and give the capital of each.
8. Why is the
Atlantic Coast colder than the Pacific in the same latitude?
9. Describe the process by which the water of the ocean returns to the sources of rivers.
10. Describe the movements of the earth. Give the inclination of the earth.

Notice that the exam took FIVE HOURS to complete. Gives the saying "he only had an 8th grade education" a whole new meaning, doesn't it?!
 

 

 



                                                                                                                                             

 

 






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No question that, as a whole, the nation has "dumbed down." I think much of that can be attributed to increased class size now compared to then. I am a retired journalist and I definitely remember being told to write my stories as if I were relating the information to one with a 7th grade level of education. It was quite a challenge to write science and political stories with that kind of slant.



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5. Name and describe the following: Monrovia, Odessa, Denver, Manitoba, Hecla, Yukon, St. Helena, Juan Fernandez, Aspinwall and Orinoco.

Oh yea - I know that. No, really, I do. Honest ;)



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To me, it says what has become more important for the 8th grader to know as unfortunate as that sounds. Knowing how to diagram a sentence has become almost obsolite as long as you can write a sentence. Using punctuation correctly is more important than knowing the major forms of punctuation. It would be interesting to know if some of those places in the geography section are known by different names today. As far as history goes, US history has doubled since that time and probably the divisions of US history as well. As far as those dates go, what WAS important about 1800? Math...here again knowing the equivilant measurements for a bushel was important to those in Kansas in 1895. Now one needs to know basic algebra. Dumb Down? I would say change in importance and focus.

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Bluelady:

I'm guessing it is the move of the capital from Philly to DC.

BTW, I listened to an intersting report on the way to work this morning that two independent researchers say that since about the time of that test each generation's IQ has increased three points so the posting of this was timely.  I guess IQ doesn't always track smarts but today's kids are inundated with information I could only have dreamed of and wish I had, so I'm thinking that is where the smarts are coming from in those studies.



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Exactally. Kids have to know more than I did just 30 years ago, back when you fed computers punch cards to program them and you certainly couldn't put one of them on your desk. Spell check? White out was my best friend. CD's? MP3's? Cell phones? How did we get by in the 70's? I just think it is a shame that many of today's kids depend more on the electronic technology than the printed word or their memory.

Did the Capital Move in 1800? I thought that Adams lived in the dank and drafty white house in DC. At least I remember reading that that is the description Abigail gave of the house. And wasn't the Capital in NYC before DC? Or did it move to Philly from NYC?

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I don't think the kids a dumb. They aren't being taught like we were 50 or more years ago. They really made you learn the multiplication tables. Now the kids are lost with out a calculator. That modern math they came out with years ago was a bust. They didn't care what the answer was, just how you got it. 2+2 took a whole page. I have a granddaughter that made straight A's in school. She knows nothing about US history or geography. If you went out on the street and ask people who won the Civil War how many do you think could tell you? If the teachers took the AST test with out studying for it, how many would pass?

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That is my point. Memorization was important to us who graduated from HS 30 years ago. Now if it can be looked up or obtained by a different process faster then why bother to memorize it. I'm not saying I agree with that thought process, I'm just saying with the change in focus on education there is a lot more different things the kids have to know today and unfortunately the memorized information is taking a back seat. Teachers passing the AST test? I'm not sure what the test is but I would not ask a teacher to take a general knowlege test based on what a student needs to know today. What I mean is, a kindergarten teacher better know how to do basic math and know something about shapes and things like that but I'm sure their higher math levels would be a bit rusty. The same with a High school english teacher. They better know much about literature, vocabulary and word usage but to know the workings of economics or even the periods of music history? That is not in their realm. Speaking for myself, I am a music teacher and have been one for 20 years. I know music very well. I know algebra, geometry and some trig. I know History pretty well because that is my special interest. Science..not so well. English..I never did well with that! Taking a general knowlege test just would not be fair not because of the lack of knowing, I may have learned about some of that 35 years ago, but because I just don't use that information in my teaching. I'll get off my soap box now!



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bluelady,

I really never thought of it that way. Your right of course. You each have your own field. Thanks for pointing that out. I'm just a old non conformist I guess. 

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LOL No need to apologize. We seem to agree on the topic anyway. Personally I think the best teacher exams were the NTE's ( National Teacher exams) they had a test for each of the specialty areas. I took the Music one about 10 years after I graduated from College and still did very well on it!

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Bluelady:

DC opened for business in 1800.  Adams was still president that year.  The capital moved from NYC to Philly in 1790, so for 10 years, the City of Brotherly Shove was the nation's capital.



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Ok thanks! LOL I love it! I take it you have been to "Philthydelphia" home of the shurekill creepsway..the longest parking lot in the world! For others that might read this and have no idea what I'm talking about..the main way into Philly from Valley Forge is the Schuylkill Expressway...basically rendered outdated the day it was finished. But I must admit is was a bit better with all that construction finished.

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javal1 wrote:
5. Name and describe the following: Monrovia, Odessa, Denver, Manitoba, Hecla, Yukon, St. Helena, Juan Fernandez, Aspinwall and Orinoco.

Oh yea - I know that. No, really, I do. Honest ;)

javal,

Members of the Village People or Menudo is my guess..:)

LOL. :)

Hope all are well.

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Bluelady:

You bet and even though I'll give it a hard time, I enjoy the town every time I go.  Even if I get in arguments with the Cheese Steak maker that American cheese has to be yellow and that white stuff has to be Swiss, Mozerella or Provolone ;).



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David - the cheesesteak maker deserves to lose. Everyone knows American cheese of any color has no place on a TRUE philadelphia cheesesteak. Cheez-whiz only, believe it or not!



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Note to self, never order a cheese steak from Javal.

CHEESE WHIZ!!!!  That stuff is for crackers and it has to have jalapenos in it.

Actually, I heard that in a newspaper article about the history of the cheese steak I read a few months ago.  Those folks take their Cheese Steaks as serious as we Texans take our Barbecue, which does not involve hickory, vinegar or pigs I might add.



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David - the recipe below is from Pat's Cheese Steake (the ONLY place to buy a real cheese steak in Philly) :P


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24oz thin sliced rib eye or eye roll steak



6 table spoons of Soya bean oil



Cheese {we recommend Cheez Whiz® American or Provolone works fine



4 crusty Italian Rolls



1 large Spanish onion



Optional



sweet green and red peppers sautéed in oil



Mushrooms sautéed in oil



Assembly



Heat an iron skillet or a non stick pan over medium heat



add3 table spoons of  oil to the pan and sauté the onions to desired doneness



remove the onions



add the remaining oil and sauté the slices of meat quickly on both sides 



melt the cheez Whiz® in a double boiler or in the microwave



place  6oz. of the meat into the rolls 



add onions, and pour the Cheez Whiz® over top



garnish with hot or fried sweet peppers, mushrooms, ketchup



Put on the theme song to the first Rocky movie and enjoy!



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And about this...



Aren't there enough REAL people to build statues for?  Fake cheese and fake people, what a pathetic city ;).

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WHAT?? Someone from a state whose most famous dish is Roadkill is gonna tell true Yankees what a real cheese steak is! Go eat an aardvark, will ya. ;)

BTW, sorry for hijacking your thread Rebal....

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Thats ok javal1. I just got this e-mail. It goes with this thread....lol...
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The $2 Bill. Everyone should start carrying them!

    I am STILL laughing!! Many of today`s youth are terribly challenged without a computer to tell them what to do!! The story is funny. Lack of education is not funny!!  But, how many youth have seen a $2 bill?

    On my way home from work, I stopped at Taco Bell for a quick bite to eat. In my billfold are a $50 bill and a $2 bill. I figure that with a $2 bill, I can get something to eat and not have to worry about anyone getting irritated at me for trying to break a $50 bill.

    Me: "Hi, I'd like one seven-layer burrito please, to go."

    Server: "That'll be $1.04. Eat in?"

    Me: "No, it's to go." At this point, I open my billfold and hand him the $2 bill. He looks at it kind of
    funny.

    Server: "Uh, hang on a sec, I'll be right back."

    He goes to talk to his manager,who is still within my earshot.


    The following conversation occurs between the two of them:  Server:  "Hey,you ever see a $2 bill?"

    Manager: "No. A what?"






 

    Server:"A $2 bill.This guy just gave it to me."

    Manager: "Ask for something else. There's no such thing as a $2 bill."

    Server: "Yeah, thought so"

    He comes back to me and says, "We don't take these. Do you have anything else?"

    Me:"Just this fifty.You don't take $2 bills? Why?"

    Server: "I don't know."

    Me: "See here where it says legal tender?"

    Server: "Yeah."

    Me: "So, why won't you take it?"

    Server: "Well, hang on a sec."

    He goes back to his manager, who has been watching me like I'm a shoplifter, and says to him, "He
    says I have to take it."

    Manager: "Doesn't he have anything else?"

    Server: "Yeah, a fifty. I'll get it and you can open the safe and get change "

    Manager: "I'm not opening the safe with him in here."

    Server: "What should I do?"

    Manager: "Tell him to come back later when he has real money."

    Server: "I can't tell him that! You tell him."

    Manager: "Just tell him."

    Server: "No way! This is weird. I'm going in back."

    The manager approaches me and says, "I'm sorry, but we don't take big bills this time of night."

    Me: "It's only seven o'clock! Well then, here's a two dollar bill."

    Manager: "We don't take those, either."

    Me: "Why not?"

    Manager: "I think you know why."

    Me: "No really, tell me why."

    Manager:"Please leave before I call mall security."

    Me: "Excuse me?"

    Manager: "Please leave before I call mall security."

    Me: "What on earth for?"

    Manager: "Please, sir."

    Me: "Uh, go ahead, call them."

    Manager: "Would you please just leave?"

    Me: "No."

    Manager: "Fine -- have it your way then."

    Me: "Hey, that's Burger King, isn't it?"

    At this point, he backs away from me and calls mall security on the phone around the corner. I have
    two people staring at me from the dining area, and I begin laughing out loud, just for effect. A few
    minutes later this 45-year-oldish guy comes in.

    Guard: "Yeah, Mike, what's up?"

    Manager (whispering): "This guy is trying to give me some (pause) funny money."

    Guard: "No kidding! What?"

    Manager: "Get this .. a two dollar bill."

    Guard (incredulous): "Why would a guy fake a two dollar bill?"

    Manager: "I don't know. He's kinda weird. He says the only other thing he has is a fifty."

    Guard: "Oh, so the fifty's fake!"

    Manager: "No, the two dollar bill is."

    Guard: "Why would he fake a two dollar bill?"

    Manager: "I don't know! Can you talk to him, and get him out of here?"

    Guard: "Yeah."

    Security Guard walks over to me and......

    Guard: "Mike here tells me you have some fake bills you're trying to use"

    Me: "Uh, no."

    Guard: "Lemme see 'em."

    Me: "Why?"

    Guard: "Do you want me to get the cops in here?"

    At this point I am ready to say, "Sure, please!" but I want to eat, so I say "I'm just trying to buy a
    burrito and pay for it with this two dollar bill.

    I put the bill up near his face, and he flinches like I'm taking a swing at him. He takes the bill, turns it
    over a few times in his hands, and says, Hey, Mike, what's wrong with this bill?"

    Manager: "It's fake."

    Guard: "It doesn't look fake to me."

    Manager: "But it's a two dollar bill."

    Guard: "Yeah?"

    Manager:"Well, there's no such thing,is there?"

    The security guard and I both look at him like he's an idiot, and it dawns on the guy that he has no
    clue.

    So, it turns out that my burrito was free, and he threw in a small drink and some of those cinnamon
    thingies, too.

    Made me want to get a whole stack of two dollar bills just to see what happens when I try to buy stuff. If I got the right group of people, I could probably end up in jail.  You get free food there, too!




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